I was on my way back home on Saturday, and had stopped at a traffic light. There were a few autos in front of me, and a car. Pedestrians were crossing the road while we waited, and as the light turned green, I noticed an elderly man just about to attempt to cross the road. The vehicles in front of me kept moving, but I waited to let the old man cross, and signaled to him to walk. As I started moving forward after he had crossed, two traffic cops, waiting just beyond the light, flagged me down. I stopped, wondering what the matter was. “Licence”, the cop asked. “Sure”, I said, and handed him my licence, asking “What happened?” No answer. My licence is the card type, unlike the booklets issued in Maharashtra. “Show me the original licence”, the cop said, disregarding my question. It’s the original, I replied. He then showed it to the other cop, who also told me it wasn’t the original, but a photocopy. I was beginning to lose it by then, as was my friend sitting next to me. A trifle curtly, I told the cops to look closely; how could they call it a photocopy? And would they tell me why they had flagged me down?
“You honked”, they said. I was flabbergasted. Not just because I detest honking, but because I hadn’t honked. My friend, who was with me in the car, was also surprised. “But he didn’t honk” she said, “I am sitting next to him and I know he hasn’t.” And she knows me well enough to add, for good measure, “He never honks.” The cops would have none of it, and insisted I had honked. Meanwhile, and very surreally, as this conversation was taking place, every car passing us was merrily honking away. When I pointed out to the cops that they really didn’t seem to be bothered with stopping anyone else, their answer was “We are not here to catch everybody.” “Well”, I said, “I don’t agree with the charge, and I want to dispute this. Whom can I speak to?” So I was directed to the Saheb at the Chowky across the road. We went to meet the “Saheb”, and explained things to him. No luck. He said if I didn’t pay the fine, he would confiscate the licence and I could go to the court. Sure, I said. Let me go Monday. “You can’t go there before the 24th,” he said. When I told him that was more than two weeks away, he shrugged. “Dispute it in court….we will keep the licence here for some time in case you want to pay the fine, and will then send it to court” he said. I called a few friends to ask them how this worked. Each one advised me to pay the fine, saying going to court was just not worth the time, money and effort, and in any case, the chances of my case being believed were negligible. It would be the Traffic Police’s word against mine. I would be assumed guilty and would have to prove I hadn’t honked. So I dropped my grand ideas of disputing this in court. Should I have gone ahead? Would I have been given a fair hearing? I don’t know, and I can definitely be faulted for chickening out, for not trusting India’s subordinate judiciary and allowing perceptions of the painfulness of the process to dissuade me.
So I paid the fine, took my receipt and went back to my car. All the way home – and whenever I drove that day and the next – every time I passed a police vehicle (twice), or traffic cops (six times), I slowed down, and honked like a madman. I figured I had already been fined for something I hadn’t done. I might as well ‘earn’ the fine, and if they decide to fine me again, well, at least this time I would have actually committed the offence. I was quite prepared to pay any fines that might come my way. Funnily enough, in all the subsequent eight instances, even after some maniacal honking (like any good Indian would) right under the cops’ noses, no one stopped me.
Thankfully, that bout of silly childishness, brought on by the utter helplessness I felt, soon passed.
The moral of the story, though, stayed with me: only idiots follow rules and obey laws.
I wonder if ‘The Quirky Idiot’ is available on WP.
February 9, 2009 at 4:59 pm
QI:
You were being civilised to an old man (count how many elements of Indian culture you have practised there! I think Mutalik will love you but that’s as aside) so Quirky Idiot is not appropriate and indeed may be a bit excessive.
However by choosing to stop, you made yourself easy bait for cops, who may otherwise find themselves powerless to chase after lawbreakers, ergo in search of someone (a low hanging fruit, we call it in management speak) whom they can show their power. You were it.
One question though – all this while, you did not take a photo of the cops with your phone camera? Nor did your friend?
February 9, 2009 at 6:39 pm
See – One more honest citizen bites the dust and turns into a honking maniac! But QI, events like this fill me with rage. And we trust our security in hands like these. Agreed, these were just traffic cops but even the police isn’t any better.
February 9, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Why not the photograph of the cops? And keep the receipt with you. You can still fight it out with the aid of the receipt and with your friend as witness.
It is absolutely not necessary that the court would take the cops’ word against yours.
Did you get the name of the cops? They are supposed to provide it to you if you ask.
And if caught again, ask them for the fault before entrusting them with your license. If they refuse to tell you the ‘crime’, then refuse to show them the license.
I assure you that you can still get the money back.
May I also suggest that if there ever is an argument, then apologise and ask for a reprieve. It may not suit an individual’s self-respect but it can do wonders for the fragile egos of the cops.
Cops’ can be booked too. Even after they loot you.
The ‘saheb’ who told you about the 2 weeks nonsense would pocket a part of your money too.
Finally, this is a well-written story.
February 9, 2009 at 7:26 pm
“only idiots follow rules and obey laws” Absolutely true!
February 9, 2009 at 8:42 pm
QI, this is something I have been pondering for weeks, in Bangalore where the traffic is high on really narrow roads. Folks take there vehicles over the footpath and cross the whole set of vehicles. I like an idiot (want to never break a law) is on the road with few other bikers and we wait good 20 minutes before we cross the signal.
We could have cross the signal if we were ready to compromise with our principle and as you said stand there like idiots who follow rules and obey laws.
But should the system be designed for people like us who give a damm about the rules or obey laws. Or we are Idiot, who still live with the principals created in our minds.
If you look at this broadly to others spheres of life..the conclusion is the same. My friends who took the wrong ways are earning way more than me 😦 I wish being Right was not so Wrong.
February 9, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Quirky Indian this must have made you so mad!!!
And we blame ourselves for bribing these guys!
February 9, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Where exactly was this signal where you were caught? I should watch out next time.
February 9, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Charles Dickens once famously said “The Law, Sir, is an Ass!” Dammit its true. For Victorian England Law was the Bobby and for us it is this type of Police Man. My blood boils
February 9, 2009 at 10:15 pm
I have never heard something like this! It happened in Mumbai!! Did you consider just driving away… :p
I have seen so many times where the person driving the car has bullied the cop and gone away despite having grossly flouted the rules.
Its shocking but ya if you find yourself calling yourself an idiot then maybe you should have fought it out.
Sucks!
February 9, 2009 at 10:37 pm
file this under the “State of the Nation” header.
February 9, 2009 at 10:55 pm
I know exactly what you must have felt like. Back in the days when i used to be in Delhi, there was this one traffic cop on a particular signal who would send me tickets to my house,every now & then, for not wearing seat belts. And i remember that all this while I used to wonder to roll my eyes at the people driving without seatbelts all around me. And i am sure none of them ever received any ticket either.
Anyway, so one day i stopped at that signal and went straight to that traffic cop and asked why wouldn’t he wear glasses if he has vision trouble so as to not to see my seat belt all these times (only in not so many words… though I would have loved to use these exact words!) His response-“I am new!”
BUT I never got any ticket after that.
So yeah the system sucks… but we shouldn’t give in ALL the time. Just my 2 cents.
February 9, 2009 at 11:16 pm
aaawww… I’m sorry that you had to go through that. 😦
Here’s to a future stress free driving experience!
Join me in cursing them with an early onset of arthiritis?
Kisses.
February 10, 2009 at 1:18 am
good one man……
i suppose the fine that you paid must have been sizeable….. but did the thought of “Bribing” ever cross your mind?????? (just wanna know)..:)
and yes, following rules while driving is always a pain as you tend to be the only person following it……….
Cheers man….
February 10, 2009 at 9:32 am
@Shefaly: I stopped because the thought of not stopping never crossed my mind; besides, I was quite sure I had done nothing wrong.
As for the pictures of the cops: I am not sure if that would have helped. The conversation never went into bribe territory. I never offered to “settle”. I got a receipt for the fine I paid. I disputed the charge, and took the call that disputing this in court was not worth it.
Thanks for the encouragement though – Muthalik notwithstanding!
@Rakesh: Let’s not be too harsh…these are the guys that make India a safe place! (ROFL!)
@Kartikey: Thanks for the support. As I have already mentioned, I am not sure how a photograph would have helped, since there was never any bribe offered or given, or even demanded.
FWIW, I have the receipt, the names of the two cops and their superior. Before I collected my licence after paying the fine, I also walked to the nearest photocopier and kept a copy of the challan. I think – unless they had fake receipt books – that I made a payment to the government, and that none of these guys pocketed anything. Of course, the fact that I never offered to bribe them might not have helped my case.
Yes, my mistake was handing over the licence before he told me what I had been pulled over for. Live and learn, as they say.
@Sraboney: Very true indeed.
@Chirag: I know exactly how you feel. At traffic lights, if I am the first car in line, I park in such a way so as to block two lanes – thereby preventing people behind me from jumping lights, which is a regular occurrence in this city. While driving, I get into arguments and shouting matches with people all the time. If my light is green, I almost drive my car into the vehicles jumping the light. My car has earned quite a few scratches in this process, but I refuse to let these assholes think they can get away with anything.
And now I feel stupid about it! What’s the point of following rules when no one else does?
February 10, 2009 at 9:49 am
@IHM: Oh, I was furious….I was also very clear that I would not bribe these guys. It might be a trumped-up charge, but I would pay the full fine.
@Rohit: At the Andheri flyover. There was apparently a “No-Honking Week” and these guys must have been given targets to meet.
@Ritu: The law is an ass, and perhaps we are the assholes for following the law. Seems to me that everyone who doesn’t follow the law does pretty well.
@Priyanka: Yes, it happened in Mumbai. And the thought of driving away never crossed my mind.
I wanted to fight it out – but apparently my only recourse was court, and from what I have heard, the chances of my story being believed were slim.
As for bullying the cops – perhaps I should join one of the Senas, or some other political party. I am sure I can then get away with much worse!
@Whatsinaname: I hear you!
@ParadoxPhilic: I agree with you….perhaps I should have let this go to court. But like I said, my confidence in the system is low, and this is what cops bank on. Most of us figure the time, effort and money spent in the tedious and bureaucratic courtroom procedures are just not worth it. So we pay up.
@LM: Arthritis, and a bad case of the runs! Impossible to stand and painful to squat! Wah wah! 🙂
@Ajit: No, dude. Bribing these guys never crossed my mind, and perhaps that pissed them off!
February 10, 2009 at 10:20 am
Is it possible to “Not to honk” on INDIAN ROADS where the footpaths are occupied by shops and people walking ON the road ?
And breaking rules is taken as pride in India. Unfortunately!!
February 10, 2009 at 10:27 am
That totally sucks. And I’ve been in similar situations too.
Anyone who knows me or my husband, know that we don’t honk, jump lights or anything. we let people cross the road. never stop over a zebra crossing blah blah. and yet we were stopped by a cop for no reason, except that he wanted to make money off it.
and there’s just nothing you can do. it’s your word against his.
frustrating to say the least. especially when you know that you’re not one to ever break rules!
February 10, 2009 at 10:59 am
A lot of these trumped up charges came up after the smoking ban too.
Our polis is like that only. *sigh* *shrug*
Hades
The Times of Bullshit
February 10, 2009 at 11:53 am
Hey, I cant explain the rage I felt while reading this. It reminds me of what happened to me when I was robbed: http://alchemistpoonam.wordpress.com/2009/01/20/robbed-on-a-busy-street/
It was furstrated by events as these I wrote: http://alchemistpoonam.wordpress.com/2009/02/04/blogging-is-not-only-about-ranting/
Our blogs are expression of what we beleive in, but alone we are not enough top uphold what we believe in when it comes to fighting injustice by state machineries. I undersatnd your sentiments and reason why you made decision to pay that fine.
Question is, together can we do anything different? BTw, which place was this?
February 10, 2009 at 2:21 pm
I know the feeling. There are times when you follow all rules yet wronged and stifled; can make you disquieted.
It’s like a nexus, a police mafia. Sometimes only power works even when you don’t want to use them.
Corruption is so enrooted in our system even at very low level that it makes it absolutely impossible for a person to remain truthful for long.
Hope you are feeling better now.
February 10, 2009 at 2:26 pm
I will tell you the other side of this police mafia.
This time when I was in India July 2008 on our way to TVM. Police stopped our car because my dad wasn’t wearing seat belt. It was just 10 mins after our lunch at a restaurant so my dad thought he will in a bit and forgot.
Seeing us and our car he demanded a huge sum. My dad explained the very same reason, they were not convinced but immediately after learning who he was..they apologized and let us go.
Sometimes reasoning doesn’t but power works. Sad state of affairs!
February 10, 2009 at 2:29 pm
–sorry for spamming here :)—
BTW why not send this piece to some local newspaper like mid-day or mumbaimirror if you have any proof?
I have seen a case where someone exposed police taking bribe for no reason.
February 10, 2009 at 5:34 pm
What is required is that we all become Gandhi and fight for justice irrespective of the cost. Unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be a practical solution. Hey, the cops had a no-honking week. They had targets to meet to book x people and collect the fine. You were the poor unlucky sod who got caught. You could have left your license there and fought it out in the court. Since you didn’t want to bribe and didn’t want to spend the time to go to court (or were not sure whether the case would go in your favor) you chose to pay the fine. Does it hurt? You bet it does.
My standing car got hit by a truck from behind once. And I had to shell out all the money to take my totally damaged car from the police station (even though the accident was because of no fault of mine), and spend time and money to visit the court to find the driver had not come. I did that for a while and then gave up, told the judge I am taking the case back. Wasn’t worth pursuing it.
Does all this suck? You bet. Is life fair? Absolutely not. So we all struggle and try and do our own bit, whether by blogging or by joining the ongoing pink chaddi campaign.
I share Poonam’s frustration (reminder to self: should comment on her blog too!!!). What we need is to turn into a Gandhi and unfortunately we don’t have the strength. It is hard man. So I accept my limited capabilities and inability to become a Gandhi, and move on.
February 10, 2009 at 6:13 pm
oooh! this reminds me so much of what happened to us recently in bengaluru.
in blr its verry common for atleast 5 cars to pass AFTER the signal has turned red. add to that the distances between signal and the junction are large.
m was driving with Cubby and me sitting next to him. the signal went orange and then red. i told mayunk we can go. he said no, we curse these people for not following rules, i will wait. ofcos 5-6 cars BEHIND us had zoomed away.
since the signal happened all of a sudden we stopped at the edge of the road, yet not in line to be a botheration. the police pointed to us that we should move back. there were bikes behind us and once they moved a l’il we did too.
the police guy kept staring at us and we didnt know why. then one lakey came and said license and paper. we asked him why. he said we were ahead of the stop line! we were like we stopped where other cars went off. didnt break any rules and this was completely unintentional.
but they wouldnt listen. they made us wait. pretended that some other officer is gonna come and talk to us. i remembered i work for a radio stn and got busy flashing my i card saying i have to go for a programme. and they were troubling us for the eck of it even when they can see all our papers are in order and we are traveling with a small baby!
the guy gave in to my ranting and gave the papers! but now M refuses to follow signals too often because it doesnt help anywayz!
and yes, we get honked for letting kids or old people cross ALL the time!
i always though Mama’s in Mumbai were better than inefficient cops here…
sorry for the post length comment! it touched a chord!
cheers!
February 10, 2009 at 7:58 pm
I don’t think you chickened out buddy. As I have said quite a many times, even if we want to change ourselves the system & machinary is such that they don’t let an honest man survive.
I was saved from bribing just because of my luck but I keep thinking agar deni padti to? 😐
Honking satisfy you or no response from frustrated you?
February 10, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Sometimes they force us to break the law out of protest. May be, I would have done that same thing had I been in your place. 🙂
February 10, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Ah, you should’ve done what I do – flip them the finger and threaten to run them over! When they get out of your way in fright, drive away! 🙂 🙂
These fuckin cops don’t deserve any respect, man!
February 10, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Indeed sad to have happened. It doesnt hurt to pay the fine when you are wrong. It hurts when there is no justification to the fine and when sensible authorities refuse to listen to you.
i wish police had more sensitivity to identify chaff from grain.
February 11, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Were you were speaking in Marathi? It has a magical effect on the police when you speak the native tongue.
Fined for honking….dayam, that’s the first I have heard of that.
February 11, 2009 at 10:20 pm
QI, rules in india are meant to be broken though. being an indian, that’s your birthright.
February 12, 2009 at 1:10 am
I agree with Smita up there…you didnt chicken out…
trust me,dad’s fighting a few cases in court becasue of such petty incidents that ‘didnt happen’…and those cases are a pain in the neck!so all in all,it was the best you did in that situation..
February 12, 2009 at 2:17 am
honestly, the entire administrative machinery of this country needs a massive overhaul. Nothing is wrong with u..
February 12, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Don’t you sometimes wish that someone did a sting operation on these guys. Horrendous!
February 12, 2009 at 4:51 pm
such a bloody piss off
February 12, 2009 at 5:23 pm
As I told you a while ago, no limit for stupidity or… greed.
I am not sure it will make you feel more relax (I won’t), but India has not the monopoly of “that”.
I wanted to make some funny comments but after I read the above comments and your replies, I am wondering…
I understand you, but still…
I do believe that people should follow the rules even though the rulers don’t.
Otherwise, how people could argue and change the situation?
Think about that…
Of course, if people don’t do anything against the rulers… sure…
I am sure even if it will take time, people could still change the rulers.
But if people are happy with what the rulers gave to them (bread and games)…
In that case…
Just a quick comment between 2 whiskeys…
After the first whiskey, I think that people should be able to change the situation. Let’s start the Revolution!
After the second one, I think what’s the F…? Just use the system…
Then, my next question is: Ha… Forget it… Uh Oh… the bottle is empty…
That’s a concern!
🙂
P.S. It’s not a Quirky Idiot, it’s a pissed off Quirky…
🙂
http://fvarga.wordpress.com/
February 12, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Oh Quirky,
I forgot:
HONK! HONK!
🙂
http://fvarga.wordpress.com/
February 14, 2009 at 1:44 pm
If it is any help, you are not the only idiot.:)
The only thing that comes to my mind – Keep a survivor kit containing a camera, photocopy of your license and registration, a letter pad and pen for writing down details and may be a few witness’s words.
But let me tell you, I love honking, it helps to take out my frustration at the morons I meet while driving.
February 16, 2009 at 1:00 pm
@Megha: Welcome and thanks for the comment. You’re right, it is difficult not to honk, but with practice, and a lot of patience, you can manage. Of course, I now wonder if it’s worth it!
@Sonaljhuj: Very frustrating. Makes you not want to follow rules at all – counter-productive.
@Hades: The police, in India, area menace to society. There’s nothing else I can say.
@Poonam: Thanks for the links. You’re right, we collectively need to do something. Our apathy makes all this worse. I’ll keep you updated on any thoughts on this – have spoken to few other people who think along similar lines.
This incident took place in Andheri.
@Solilo: Thanks, I am feeling better. As for the media – there was no bribe involved. It was the cop’s word against mine, and my recourse was court, which I chose not to take.
@Lifeofhues: I think we all agree that something has to be done. Poonam is right when she says it has to be done collectively.
@Abha: It is very frustrating, and the upshot is, even people like us see no point in following the law. It’s a vicious cycle that we must break. Thanks for the comment!
@Smita: Thanks. Well, I am feeling better, but I hope something good comes out of thsi experience. Let’s see.
@Anshul: They make us feel stupid for following the law. Is that the intention?
@Nikhil: These cops deserve to be locked up…they’re a menace! Your tactic has appeal, though!
February 16, 2009 at 1:13 pm
@Manpreet: These guys are the biggest crooks in the country. And they have the sensitivity all right – they harass the people who follow rules, and, as we all know, the law-breakers get away scot-free.
@Satya: Welcome. Unfortunately, my Marathi’s not good enough to carry on an argument with the cops.
@Roop: You’re absolutely right. That’s what everyone does, and why the people who don’t break laws feel like misfits.
@Indyeah: It was the sensible thing to do, I agree, but it also left me feeling very helpless.
@nidhi: Welcome and thanks. But I’m sure this is only the tip of the iceberg…..the rot runs deep.
@Thoughtsafari: Welcome and thanks. OH, I wished a lot of things then, none of them pleasant!
@Gayatri: Totally.
@fvarga: Alcohol as the solution to all problems; now that’s a remedy I like the sound of! 🙂
@Genosign: Thanks! And I did do all of that. names, photocopy of the challan….all there with me.
February 20, 2009 at 2:15 am
@ QI –
I thought of this post today … BBC Radio 4 ran a piece about the police in India conducting a real crackdown on horn honking in the big cities. Something about the police writing 17,000 tickets in the last month. In light of your post, I wondered how many of those tickets were for real offences.
Hi Liam….thanks for the comment. You can be sure that a good many of those tickets wouldn’t have been for real offences. The annoying bit, though, is this: there are many motorists committing traffic offences in this country….so why not actually catch them, even if you have financial targets to meet?
April 17, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Cmon! dont crib for such petty things! You should have called up some ‘neta’! Even the ‘galli mohalla’ type netas would have handled it with ease! From now on, start carrying an “advocate’s” business card with you. Or get a “press” sticker put on your car. “police” will be even better. The thullas will think dat ur one of dem. And thankgod u didnt go to the courts! It would have taken you atleast 10 years to get ur licence back. Maybe dey might hav dismissed d case. Wen murder cases take 15 yrs, urs is not even worth mentioning!